How to tackle a long pimple backhand brush against your forehand loop

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davidpui
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There are long pimples players who don't push or block back with their long pimples but instead they roll or brush over the ball from your spin or block or servers.

Most oftenly in order to get the ball back safely over the net, you require to do slow spins or roll out and he will keep rolling the ball until eventual you get the ball into the net - as it seems to be a very heavy backspin returned back from the brush using the long pimples.

I was just wondering how is it best to tackle this and I like to make more power spin or do something to prevent him from continuously brushing and rolling the ball back using the long pimples and effectively creating heavier and heavier backspin.

Please help me on this and enlighten me on this.

 

Thanks.

 

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David

 

 

 

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Re: How to tackle a long pimple backhand brush against your ...

Thanks Larry.

In short, this confirmed that effectively with "no spin ball" you will need to either top spin or flat hit but aim higher than the net. Otherwise it will go into the net right ?

So the no spin ball, has a slight effect similar to a light underspin ball ? Am I correct to interpret this way ?

 

Please advise.

 

Cheers

David

 

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In short, this confirmed that effectively with "no spin ball" you will need to either top spin or flat hit but aim higher than the net. Otherwise it will go into the net right ?

If you don't aim above the net, the ball won't go over the net. So yes, you have to aim up some, ideally with topspin to arc the ball over the net and bring it down on the other side.

So the no spin ball, has a slight effect similar to a light underspin ball ? Am I correct to interpret this way ?

Roughly speaking. 

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So you mean chopping down - using more vertical angle on the blade... as how you would receive a no-spin ball.... for returning the serve lower... or alternatively hit this flat ?

You have to chop down more on the ball when pushing against a no-spin ball since there's no backspin, or it will pop up. 

Is it ok to hit it flat ? Will the ball go in ? Or would it still go down the net ?

You can hit it flat, but without topspin to pull it down you'll have less control, and won't be able to hit as fast consistently. So while a flatter flip is a good variation, it's better to flip with topspin. (When you say "go down the net," if you mean will a flat flip go into the net, of course it will if you aim the racket toward the net! To go over the net, aim higher. With topspin to pull the ball down, however, you can aim even higher, and so have a larger margin for error, which is why topspin is valuable when attacking.) 

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Re: How to tackle a long pimple backhand brush against your ...

Thanks Larry.

When you say put more energy to the shot - ie. the near to no-spin ball, do you hit with an open face blade or close face blade....

or just vertical like a hitting a flat smash ?

I usually take it like a push or a chop , as the serves looks like under-spin... stroke...

 

Please advise.

 

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David

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When you say put more energy to the shot - ie. the near to no-spin ball, do you hit with an open face blade or close face blade....or just vertical like a hitting a flat smash ?

It depends on how aggressive your shot is, and how much you are spinning the ball as opposed to hitting/driving it with lighter topspin. If attacking aggressively with topspin, you'd want to close the racket some and contact the ball toward the top. For a softer or flatter attack, more behind the ball with the racket vertical. 

I usually take it like a push or a chop , as the serves looks like under-spin... stroke...

The key here is that you have to chop down more on the ball to keep it down. Otherwise it pops up. At the higher levels players regularly serve no-spin that looks like backspin, trying to get a slightly high return to put away. 

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Re: How to tackle a long pimple backhand brush against your ...

Thanks Larry.

So you mean chopping down - using more vertical angle on the blade... as how you would receive a no-spin ball.... for returning the serve lower... or alternatively hit this flat ?

 

Is it ok to hit it flat ? Will the ball go in ? Or would it still go down the net ?

 

Please advise.

 

Cheers

David

 

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Re: How to tackle a long pimple backhand brush against your ...

Hi Larry

Played against the long pimples player tonite and lost 2-3.

What I did was serve short to his forehand and let him spin up using his normal smooth rubber and then rally with him. This works to a point.

But it was still difficult as he can roll using his pips really well. From time to time he starts using the long pips fast forehand serve to my backhand and I end up just blocking back and he starts attacking using his forehand and mixes with his long pips on the backhand and go wider and wider to my backhand... and get me out of position with his long pips.

Also he did a couple of forehand tomahawk serve using long pips.... and this can be rather difficult.. if hit at the wrong angle it will got straight down the net... Sometimes it seems like a no spin... but went u try and chop it goes straight down the net..

Any tips on playing against this type of player... I struggle... and have to be playing really well to beat him. I have beaten him before but not often. Many good players also lose to him.

Please advise.

Cheers

David

 

 

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Re: How to tackle a long pimple backhand brush against your ...

Hi David, against those long pips serves the ball is nearly no-spin. They more likely go into the net because while you are reading the ball correctly as no-spin, you might not be adjusting to the ball's not jumping off your racket as a ball with spin does. Players often put no-spin balls into the net because of this. To compensate you have to stroke the ball more, i.e. put more energy into your shot. 

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Can you actually chop or push the ball when he rolls or brush the ball... which seems like a backspin.. ?

Definitely. Just loop it like it's a regular backspin. The difficulty is that it doesn't always look like a backspin, and so players don't react properly. Also, it often comes at your quickly, so you are rushed. 

Usually I tend to lift the ball up slowly.... and it gets higher and higher.. as I thought that the backspin is heavier and heavier... and finally gives him a chance to roll /brush this further and further...Any tips of how I should tackle this ?

If the ball is going higher and higher, aim lower. You need to practice so you can make the proper adjustments. Against long pips blockers, you'd think players would tend to loop into the net, but most misses are still off the end. 

Alternatively, I think I should use my reverse backhand and spin the ball up.. - I can do this now... but haven't tried against long pips yet.

Use either wing. If the opponent is just blocking, then you don't need to topspin too heavily, just be steady with light topspin, well-placed and deep, until you get an easy one to loop or smash away. 

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Re: How to tackle a long pimple backhand brush against your ...

Thanks Larry.

So effectively what you are saying is :

1. Do deep top spin it's much harder for the long pips player to generate spin from deep long spin.

2. Yes, with a block, the long pip player can brush and roll the ball and return with backspin... This is what I find difficult as I'm a penholder... and he would rolll further further away... from my backhand.... away from the table... with heavier and heavier backspin..

Can you actually chop or push the ball when he rolls or brush the ball... which seems like a backspin.. ?

Usually I tend to lift the ball up slowly.... and it gets higher and higher.. as I thought that the backspin is heavier and heavier... and finally gives him a chance to roll /brush this further and further...

Any tips of how I should tackle this ?

Alternatively, I think I should use my reverse backhand and spin the ball up.. - I can do this now... but haven't tried against long pips yet.

 

Cheers

David

 

 

Larry Hodges
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Re: How to tackle a long pimple backhand brush against your ...

There are long pimples players who don't push or block back with their long pimples but instead they roll or brush over the ball from your spin or block or servers.

They can only do this from some combination of the following: They have sponge under their racket and good timing, and/or your shots are too soft or too short. Against backspin, it's easy to attack with long pips. Against a deep, heavy topspin, it's almost impossible. Some learn to use what looks like a regular stroke, but it's really a block, and the ball floats back with backspin. The key is simply to get used to this, since the returns may not be what you are used to, but they are predicatable and (with practice) relatively easy to handle. 

If they have thick sponge, then they can attack better, but then they don't return your spin as much. So an aggressive, deep loop will give them great difficulty. If they don't have sponge under the long pips (or just a very thin sheet), then deep no-spin or light-spin balls will give them fits. They won't be able to make effective attacks against these, though of course if you aren't used to their dead returns, you'll have trouble until you get used to them. 

Probably the single most important thing here is to keep your ball deep. Anything short is easy for the long pips player to deal with, and he's rushing you against a shot you are not used to. Keep it deep, and you'll get mostly passive returns, and you'll have time to react to them, with practice.